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News and Notes
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Not a lot of news this time. Any more babies? Weddings? Gold medals?
e have had occasion to mention a number of people in our family tree who have produced books, novels, or poetry. The latest publications are: Raising Teenage Boys by Andy Roy, available in hard copy - A$32.95 (inc. P& H), eBook - A$24.95 or audiobook - A$19.95. Follow the links at http://raisingteenageboys. powerhouseprograms.com.au/ book/ Gillian Royes’ second novel in the Shad series: The Man Who Turned Both Cheeks! is due for release in early December at US$16.00 - see http://facebook. com/theshadseries and the reviews (beginning, wait for it, “REVIEWS:“) on each of the books in this series can be found under Media> Articles.
appy coincidence: Bev and I were visiting Cairns and Mareeba in September to catch up with my step-mother and many cousins when the Grumleys (Malanda) were having their own family gathering. So I caught up with them at Bill jr’s place at Clifton Beach: Ken (Manila, Philippines, whom I had never met); that’s me in the middle; Kay (Brisbane - had not seen her for nearly 12 years); “Bill” senior; and in front Bill junior. [Another sibling, Janine, died in 2010.]
June 2012 Y Paul Cassin, son of Mark and Kate, was baptised by his great uncle Father Tom Hogan in Dublin. Y Kate Kempen gained her Masters with distinction and an entrée into a PhD program. Y Xavier Ardon Lightbourne born to Jonathon and Jennie (Hogan), brother for Lucas.
nne van Gestel expects to be a great grandmother in January. Her mother died in May this year and so has missed out on being a great great grandmother by just a few months.
oticed in Facebook that Bogiatzis researcher Alan Cresswell and his wife have been re-visiting Castellorizo, Greece. Caught up with Rose (Bogiatzis) Roy when in Cairns. She is doing remarkably well for a 91-y-o. Her parents migrated from Castellorizo to Darwin in 1917, and then to Townsville.
s this newsletter goes to print, royroyes.net has had over 380,000 “page hits” - the top five countries from which our vistors come are, in order, Australia, USA, UK, Canada, Netherlands, and New Zealand. You can see these statistics and more on the home page.
In this issue
News and Notes Larne memories Web site notes Research notes Clements descendants Maria Royes descendants 1 2 4 4 5 6
Found this new map of Jamaica (renamed) following the spectacular performance of Jamaican athletes at the London Olympic Games
According to my research, I am 6,345,174th in line for the throne.
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Joy Logan remembers trips to Larne and extended family. Joy has a degree in history from Queen’s University (Belfast) and has worked in Israel with the Church of Scotland and in Jamaica with the Irish Presbyterian Church. This article was first written about 1991 as part of a family history and appears on our web site in the Histories section - along with several other articles from that early history.. years ago I was amazed arne to me means the word - an enormous to see how small that summer holidays, tea, two kettles, two primus patch of sand is: it seemed although we must have stoves (and I suppose the enormous to a child. On been there at least once water too) and several rugs special occasions we went in Spring as I have a vivid were stowed aboard. Our to ‘the bathing boxes’ when first task was to collect memory of the lilac tree in our parents bathed, but the back garden. I decided stones to build a platform that was never so much very early in life that when for the stoves, and then fun. The water, being I grew up I would have a it was off to play or bathe deeper, was always cold, lilac and a rocking chair while the kettles boiled. and one seemed to be out as Granny had: it took The great treat on this of the sun. I wonder why me over forty years, but I occasion was sandwiches: I we were never taught to managed it in the end! think this was the only time swim? One odd memory we ever had them, and for Arrival was always exciting, is that on the way down to years I thought they were with Granny waiting to the beach we passed a dark so called because one ate greet us after the long car house with no curtains, them sitting on the sand! journey from Gulladuff. which Beth told me There were always loganAnother special memory belonged to ‘a professor’. berries and ice-cream for was the evening singBeing older than the tea on the first evening: songs. Sunday evenings our first job was to go up to others, I did not want to were for hymn-singing, Bonugli’s for the ice-cream, admit that I did not know often with friends brought something of course which what a professor was, and back from church. Was it some fairy tale association with no electricity we Uncle Hugh who sang ‘The never had at home. Granny must have linked the word Old Rugged Cross’ and was a marvellous cook, and with wizards and ogres. We ‘The Holy City’? Certainly always passed that house mealtimes were always ‘The Lost Chord’ recalls with bated breath, and a treat - several of my Aunt Rose. (These Sunday it was with considerable ‘party-piece’ recipes were evenings are in fact the amusement to both of us originally hers, and are reason we were ever there that I later found its gentle often commented on by at all, since it was through elderly owner teaching me guests who have not met being invited to them Anglo-Saxon at University. them before. I believe that when she first came to Alas, I have forgotten his Beth has her recipe book Larne as a stranger that my perhaps she will circulate it name: I have forgotten the mother met my father.) Anglo-Saxon too! some time? There must have been he special treat of every weekday ones too when What do I summer was a picnic remember? we sang the old Irish songs to Islandmagee. All the Playing and like ‘I’ll take you home children - there were seven again, Kathleen’, ‘I’m sitting bathing on of us by the end - and the beach by on the stile, Mary’ - both several aunts packed up a the Chaine calculated to bring tears picnic and went across by Memorial - a to the eyes! - ‘I’m forever motor-boat. Packed was couple of blowing bubbles’ and for
some reason I can still hear Uncle Hugh singing ‘It’s six miles from Bangor to Donaghadee’! All these were sung to the old organ in the sitting room, sometimes with Granda playing his violin. nother occasional treat - I can remember it only once - was a trip to the Glens of Antrim. Was there a little hut from which one could look at a waterfall through different coloured panes of glass, or was it one of Aunt Rose’s contrivances that enabled one to see the water red and green and yellow? Talking of coloured glass, what hours of pleasure we got from a large kaleidoscope. I tried for years to get a similar one for Moyra’s children, and later her grandchildren, but without success.
I can just remember going up to Drumalis to see Granny Clements, and Molly Carmichael who lived with her then, although I have no memory of her as a person. A couple of years ago Moyra and I were in Larne and going to
Her first husband was William Carmichael and they had a son William. Uncle Bryce is Aunt Minnie’s second husband, Bryce Mulholland.
Granny is Elizabeth Gamble Logan née Clements 1871-1939 Granda is Samuel Logan (1865-1940) Granny Clements is Granny’s mother, Agnes Clements née Gamble Beth is Joy’s cousin Elizabeth
Gamble Hamill, daughter of her Aunt Molly (née Logan). Beth’s brother is John Ivan Hamill, and he has a son Stephen Aunt Rose is Rose Selby née Logan (1897-1986) Uncle Hugh is probably Hugh Selby, Rose’s husband. Moyra (Hamill née Logan] is
Joy’s sister (1930-1996) Aunt Lily is Elizabeth Simms née Logan (1908-1999) Aunt Molly is Mary Hamill née Logan (1898-1976) there is also a cousin Molly Carmichael, daughter of Aunt Minnie... Aunt Minnie is Mary Carmichael née Clements.
Maurie Roy’s mother, Agnes, was the eldest of the Logan siblings and had migrated to Cairns in 1923..
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call on Beth. we pulled in to a gateway to consult a map, and found ourselves parked by the gate lodge of Drumalis, Granny Clements’ old home. It cannot always have been sunny, although in retrospect it seems to have been, as there were whole days spent reading, which would never have been allowed if the weather had allowed us to get out. I also remember Trying to write a book one summer, and the serious interest that Aunt Rose showed in my story and how it developed. I don’t think it ever had an end - I expect the sun came out. I can remember spending one whole day reading a Victorian Sunday School prize called ‘Misunderstood, crying my eyes out on the slippery black leather sofa in the front room. I can still quote whole sentences from it! There were also the first comics I had ever come across, sent weekly from Australia. Being something of a bookworm, it worried me that I could never understand them!
Logan cousins 1991 FRONT: Daphne, Beth; MIDDLE: Joy, Moyra, Ivan, Beryl (Moyra’s daughter) BACK: Hugh
ardenmore church features largely in my memories too. It was a long walk for young legs on a Sunday morning, but I think my love for the church began there. In Gulladuff we went to a bare, whitewashed ‘meeting house’ with no organ or choir, where only psalms and paraphrases were sung. Gardenmore was a revelation to me with its music, colour and lovely wooden pews, and I loved it. (So did my mother, who chose to
be married there instead of from her own home. Well into her eighties she watched a ‘Songs of Praise’ programme form there on television - with Ivan’s son Stephen playing the organ - and wrote to tell me how much happiness it had brought her to see it again.) I was so pleased that with the help of Beth and Ivan (and Stephen) we were able to arrange to have her funeral service there. e did not always stay in Curran Street. At least once we stayed with Aunt Minnie - perhaps when the Detroit uncle was visiting, and there was a plethora of guests. We also stayed with Aunt Rose when Moyra was born, and although I was not quite four then, I can still remember that lovely house overlooking the sea. I also remember one evening when Daddy and Uncle Hugh took me out fishing with them, and my efforts not to show how terrified I was when the fish (mackerel, I expect) started leaping about in the bottom of the boat. In 1933 we stayed with Aunt Molly in Bay Road. That was when Jackie was born, and is my only less than happy memory of Lame. I had to go to the Olderfleet School for several weeks, and hated every minute of it! The uncles do not loom very large in my memories, nor does Aunt Lily, though in my teens I was closer to her than any of the others. I
suppose they were at work during the day, and our early bedtime as children prevented us from seeing much of them in the evening. Possible the same applies to Granda, whom I visualize sitting silently in the corner with his pipe and a paper, or playing a violin, or standing at the front door watching the passers-by, but rarely speaking. Perhaps with five talkative daughters he did not get many chances! Perhaps Ivan can remember him better. ho else do I remember? Aunt Minnie and Uncle Bryce [Mulholland?], Molly and Muriel, Billy Carmichael... It was only when working on this history that I finally sorted out the confusion of names in that household. Aunt Minnie had re-married, and was Mrs Mulholland; her children were Carmichael, but Muriel, who also called her ‘mummy’, was Peterson. Muriel was in fact her granddaughter. Her mother had gone to the USA and had married there. When she returned on a visit with her young baby, Muriel caught scarlet, fever and was not able to travel when the time came for them to go back. Her mother had to leave her, planning to come back for her later, but shortly after she was widowed, and Muriel remained in Larne. Of non-family friends there were annual visits to tea with the Orrs, and with the Halls - the only place where I can remember having to be on my best behaviour, where there was a daughter called Eileen with whom I was expected to make friends, but who to me was grown up. There was also someone called Wesley Simpson who drove a taxi, though why I should
remember him I cannot imagine. Perhaps he drove the family on their visits to Gulladuff : there are numerous old family photographs taken there with unidentifiable men in them. Perhaps one of them is Wesley Simpson. he abiding memory of Larne, though, is Granny herself, loving, welcoming always smelling of lavendar water which she had in little wickercovered bottles. I wish she had lived long enough for me to know her better, and for more of her grandchildren to know her at all. A glance at some of her photographs will show what a lovely person she was. Granda lived less than a year after her, according to Aunt Minnie, with whom he lived in those months.
Logan family about 1904: REAR: Agnes, father Sam, Molly, Rose, mother Elizabeth (daughter of the Elizabeth below - “Granny” in this article), Madge and Jack
Granny Clements (Agnes Gamble Clements) A chart at Supplement 1 illustrates the family tree referred to in this article
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Web site notes
he most significant report about the web site is that royroyes.net is now THE site for Roy~Royes Family Links - the tree is no longer in a “/genealogy/” folder on that site. ignificant additions to the web site include:
Y Transcript of records of the trial of Samuel Tyssen (spelt Tyson in court records) Royes in Sydney in 1831. Y Significant updates to severalfamilies, norably the Clements/Logans featured in the main article.
A former police chief and a genealogist set out to solve a 1971 crime in Bedford, New Hampshire, in which they have a woman’s body but no identity - referred to as Jane Doe. Melinda Byrne teaches forensic genealogy, which she describes as “the study of kinship and identity as it pertains to the law.” “The most common use of forensic genealogy is to locate missing heirs to estates,” she said. “These are cases where you know somebody’s name and you determine who that name actually belongs to.” In other cases, “you may not know the person’s last name, but you know what their place in a kinship group is,” Byrne said. “It’s sort of like an algebra problem. You know two pieces of the formula, and you get the answer by using those two pieces.” Since at this time, Jane Doe lacks both a family name and a designated place in a kinship group, the equation is more challenging. “What I’m trying to reverse-engineer is sort of like the dog that didn’t bark in the night,” Byrne said. “I’m going to use the clues we have in a different way.” Read the whole article at http://goo.gl/l2sPJ
f you are interested in the Weatherburn-Royes connection Glenda Pollard has a site at My Heritage http://www.pollardweatherburn.myheritage.com - you will need to register with the site. ou will see in the Clements chart in Supplement 1 that I have been wrestling with a confusion about Houston Clements’ (1836-?) children. We have evidence of a marriage and two births where father is Huston Clements and mother is Agnes Jamison, married just after the birth of the first child. Then the
next four children are registered with father Huston Clements and mother Agnes Gamble. There is just two years between the birth of James and Elizabeth and suggests that this could be the same person. The research continues, as it always does! delaide Elizabeth McArthur is listed as the longest lived person in our data, at 102. But the number is not precise and it sends any researcher looking to find what evidence there is for this. We had her married to Albert Joseph Humphries and there was a NZ connection. A little detective work and increased availability of
NZ vital records on line produced Humphreys as the correct spelling and we were off! Adelaide was still on the electoral roll at age 101 living in South Street, Feilding - so I guess 102 is reasonably accurate! lease note that I have stopped including links to living people in this newsletter and the news scroll on the web site home page. While no one’s privacy is compromised it does allow search engines to make a connection between Surname/ Initials and a web address. Even though you will find living people indicated by surname/initials, you cannot search for them. What a search engine finds is “Living”.
including those from parallel branches such as the Russells, Hogans, Logans, Girvans and Wileys on the Roy side, and the Houghams (or Huffams etc) on the Royes side. You can check on all the surnames at the web site on the home page or under the Find drop-down menu on other pages.
instance where full details about living people are viewable on the web site.
There are two Facebook groups associated with our family tree Roy-Hogan-Russell and RoyesHougham. These are designed to be community forums - so join in!
Roy~Royes Family Links has its origins in the marriage of Maurie Roy and May Royes in Cairns, Queensland, in 1940. It has grown to almost 6000 people
If you are interested in the The scope of the data is based on Houghams, you should be the Roy and Royes pedigrees. See an aware that the largest explanation of the research parameters Hougham/Huffam data base in the Using This Site section. It also (over 26,000 people) is by Robin Young at includes several areas of interest such as http://hougham-huffam.org/ . Robin the Normandy dukes and English royalty. provided much of the information we Privacy is important. Please report any have on the Houghams.
Editor: Bruce Roy, 45 King Street, , Wollstonecraft NSW 2065, Australia Email: rr firstname.lastname@example.org
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Maria Royes descendants
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News and Notes
Two photos of families who live in remote areas of Australia:
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December 2012 Y Rose (Bogtiatzis Thorburn) Roy died in Cairns, Queensland, the Sunday before Christmas, peacefully, having gone to sleep the night before and not woken. She was buried beside her husband, Maurie, at Mount Sheridan Memorial Park, Cairns. Y Congratulations to Matthew Roy (age 11) who is captain of Canadian Lead Primary School in Ballarat, VIC, in 2013. November 2012 Y Alexanda (“Alex”) John Trimble born in Mackay, QLD, to Darryl and Hannah - brother for Andrew. October 2012 Y “Bill” Grumley, Malanda (on the Atherton Tablelands), celebrates 95 years. He married Edna Royes in 1941 and they had four children. September 2012 Y Freya Mary Williamson-Clay born in Perth, Western Australia to David and Claire. Sister for Eli, granddaughter for Daphne and Raymond Clay (Townsville). Y Tiffany (Miller) and Michael Tento celebrated their 10th wedding anniversary by renewing their vows and getting all glammed up again. Tiffany writes: “Miraculously I still managed to fit into my wedding dress! Jaala (Cusack nee Miller) and sister-in-law Renee Flynn were bridesmaids and brothers-in-law Trent Cusack and Jason Flynn were best men. “It was a very small and simple ceremony but one filled with lots of emotion. Jaala read out messages from Bill Grumley Jnr and Kay Grumley, both invoking the memory and spirit of our beautiful mum Janine (Grumley) Miller.”
Nola Gallagher has shared this photo of her whole family. They live in the Normanton (Queensland) area both in town and on a cattle property outside of town.
Family of Pene (Royes) Curtis from the Northern Territory Back Row : Anthony Long; David Curtis Jnr; Ben Mack; David Curtis Snr; Dena Curtis Middle Row : Renee Long; Donald Mack; Anita Curtis; Pene Curtis; Elaine Medeiros Front Row: Umema Curtis holding Gabby Mack; Rhiana Long holding Benny Mack; Michelle Long hold Thomas Mack Missing : Jordan Long and Leila Mack.
In this issue
News and Notes Following the Gold Research notes Web site notes More about Ravenswood Weatherburn pedigree 1 2 4 4 5 6
On the 22nd of June - Jonathan Fiddle Went out of tune.
[In a cemetery in Hartscombe, England] http://royroyes.net > “More” drop-down menu > “Family Humour”
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Following the Gold
by RON ROYES he Royes family and their descendants in the 19th century were transients, not unlike many others including the Irish and Chinese immigrants attracted to the goldfields. When gold was found at Ravenswood around 1868, it proved a magnet to the Royes families. In fact, twenty-one children of the Royes families were born in Ravenswood. Ravenswood, a small country town south-west of Townsville in North Queensland, was named after a town in Scotland, popularised by the novelist Sir Walter Scott in his book The Bride of Lammermoor. eorge Hougham Royes, a son of Edward Hougham and Mary Royes, married Jane Ley Olive in 1873. The first of twelve children was born in Rockhampton:
Ravenswood abourt 1890
Y 1887 Eleanor Maud* Y 1890 Ralph Hougham Y 1891 Arthur Hougham [in the group of miners below] Y 1893 Jane Elliott* [in the class photo on the next page] Y 1895 John Hougham Y 1897 Bathurst Hougham.
Interestingly, ten of their twelve children, including one female, carried the christian name of Hougham.
[* Eleanor Maud and Jane Elliott are often listed as having “Hougham” as their third name, no doubt because of this name being in all the other siblings, but there is no evidence for this in official records.]
in electoral rolls from 1903 to at least 1925. harles Mordaunt Royes, a younger brother of George Hougham, also moved to Ravenswood in 1878, accompanied by his wife Mary and two children born in Rockhampton:
Y 1876 Jean Stewart Y 1878 Edward Mordaunt.
Y 1875 George Hougham.
Next year, the family moved to Ravenswood. A further eleven children were born in Ravenswood over a period of 20 years:
Y Y Y Y Y 1877 Charles Hougham 1879 Annie Marie Hougham 1881 Sydney Hougham 1883 Frederick Hougham 1885 Ralph Hougham
The impact of the Royes family in Ravenswood was further enhanced by the births of two children of Frederick Hougham Royes, son of George Hougham Royes.
Y 1912 George Frederick, Y 1913 Claude Evan.
Unlike his brother, Charles Mordaunt did not become a miner, rather he opted for a carrying business with bullocks and horses. Their family extended by another seven children over a period of 15 years in Ravenswood.
Y 1879 Thomas Mordaunt Y 1881 Eleanor Etta Y 1883 Herbert Charles (he and sister Eleanor were both born on 10 April) Y 1885 Isobel May Y 1887 Willie who died at birth Y 1888 Robert Luther Y 1890 Mary Agnes
George was originally a carter, but by 1895 he is listed as a miner on his son Ralph’s school record and
Miners at the Ravenswood Duke of Edinbugh gold mine in 1926. Arthur Hougham Royes (1891-1963) is in the front row, second from right. roy~royesfamilylinks 22 • February 2013 • page 2
In 1883, a 30 km. (18 miles) railway branch line was opened from Cunningham (Mingela) to Ravenswood. In subsequent years mining decined, and the railway line was closed in 1930. Most of the Royes children attended the Ravenswood State School, which is still operative in 2012, with twenty children enrolled. It was common then for families to maintain goat herds. The Royes families were no exception. The usual size of a herd was around twenty per family. It was sufficient to provide both milk and meat. The boys in the family would have two or four wheeled goat wagons (carts), pulled by as many as seven
billy (male) goats. They kept the family supplied with firewood. The leaders knew their job, and kept the road without being led while the shafter (the goat harnessed with a pole) knew his job was to steady the load when going down hill. Racial problems developed during the peak of the mining in Ravenswood between the hard drinking Irish and the Chinese miners. The Chinese were referred to as Yellow Agony, the Celestials and Yellow Peril. As the goldfields dried up, many of George Hougham’s families left Ravenswood. Some spent their later life in Home Hill, Townsville, Rockhampton and Yeppoon. His wife Jane died (1927) in Ravenswood, as did three of their children (1889-1907), and her brother Thomas Olive (1882). Willie Royes, son of Charles and Mary, was still-born (1887). All are buried in Ravenswood cemetery.
(See Supplement 1 for more detail.)
y 1892, a continual decline in the Ravenswood area prompted Charles and Mary Royes, and their family, to locate to Georgetown in the Etheridge region where reports indicated gold had been found. The long distance travel was looked upon as normal before
the advent of motor transport. A hundred miles in a day was considered the yardstick distance. Horses were bred for utility, not show, according to the Royes families. Charles and Mary had a further three children in Georgetown:
Y 1892 Jessie Phoebe Y 1894 John George Y 1897 Druce Grantley
They then moved to Mareeba and their last child was born there:
Y 1900 Winifred Constance
Their descendants are found mainly in Mareeba, Cairns,
Charters Towers, Normanton, and NW Queensland. egacies of the mining days remain in 21st century Ravenswood. There are mullock heaps (disused soils from mine shafts), tall chimneys and discarded mine machinery, all reminders of by-gone days. Racial intolerance is absent, a far cry from the peak of the mining days. So hostile were the gold miners towards Chinese, all Chinese tablets at the Ravenswood cemetery have disappeard. And there is no evidence of the transient Royes families, except in the Courthouse Museum, where the names and sometimes faces of them and the occupation of their fathers, make fascinating reading.
Supplement 1 has some data about the Ravenswood and the Royes
A class at the Ravenswood School about 1905. Jane Elliott Royes (1893-1932) is indicated. roy~royesfamilylinks 22 • February 2013 • page 3
amuel Tyssen (or Tyson) Royes remains a mystery. We know when he was born in London and details of his trial in Sydney for embezzling 11 shillings and 1 pence from his employer - though it does look like a comedy of errors since his employer originally claimed he had embezzled £8.15.0. He received a three months gaol sentence - and that is the end of his story as we know it. However, the point in repeating this story is to let you know that the trial documents have been transcribed and you can read them on the web site. Go to Samuel’s page and select the link.
there after their Australian marriage (1915 in Armidale, NSW). Adelaide Elizabeth Humphreys was still on the NZ electoral roll in 1981. Her year of death is 1982 according to family reports - aged 102.
Eleanor Maud Royes Foley
on Royes’ article on page 2 prompted me (as do your emails!) to do some further checking, in this case on the Ravenswood families. A surprise was that records revealed that two of George Hougham Royes’ three daughters do not include “Hougham” in their first names - at least not in any official records. In the case of Eleanor Maud, we know she married James Henry Foley (in Ravenswood?) in 1913 and that by 1919 they were in Townsville. He disappears from the 1936 and subsequent electoral rolls so we can assume that he died before 1936. We then have an Eleanor Maud Foley on electoral rolls up to 1963 in Monto (possibly with her son) and then Brisbane. If you can help clarify any of that please get in touch.
ene (Royes) Curtis has updated her family information and provided a photo of the whole family (except for two members). The photo is on page 1. They are descendants of Colin and Clara (Nowland)Royes who spent most of their time in Brisbane, Qld and Darwin, NT. Colin is the youngest child of Percy Hougham Royes, who is the second child of Edward Hougham Royes jr. - a family with its roots in Rockhampton. Pene’s family are found in Darwin, Tennant Creek and Alice Springs in the Northern Territory.
he Russell-McFerran branch has been updated. Esther Russell McFerran is a sister of Jane, Maurie Roy’s grandmother. Search for Hugh McFerran b.1865.
Web site notes
On line 50 years on
h, the weavings of the web and the advantages of having the family tree on line. In October I had an inquiry from Moira C. (English) who had discovered, she suggested, a former 1963-65 Paris flatmate Toni (Australian) in our family tree. (She could see only the initials since she was looking at living people.) Moira worked for NATO and Toni for the Australian Embassy. A few emails around the globe confirmed that “our Toni” was “her Toni” and the two flatmates are now back in communication after 50 years, and from opposite sides of the globe.
Importance of spelling
number of NZ records (birth and death registrations, electoral rolls) have come on line. While I have not managed to work through all our NZ records a number have been updated. One find was in respect of the oldest person in our data, Adelaide Elizabeth McArthur. We knew she had married a Kiwi by the name of Humphries (or so we thought). Fortunately, ancestry.com searches for “sounds like” and I discovered that the name was Humphreys. NZ (and most official Registry) records require correct spelling so now a search for Humphreys showed that not only had she married a Kiwi - they had lived
New registered users
egistrations since mid-September last year:
Y Geraldine (Russell) Andrews Y Stephen Thomas Russell (Northern Ireland) Y Sharon Symons (Aust) Y James Karney (USA) Y Moira Creek (UK) Y Paul Cowan (Aust) Y Carol Irwin (NZ)
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More about Ravenswood
129 1868 1880 5,000 less than 500 Hotels at peak Hotels today Railway closed Operational gold mines today 48 2 1930 2
Some Facts about Ravenswood:
Road distance from Townsville (km) Gold discovered Silver discovered Peak population (early 1900s) Population today
Royes deaths/burials in Ravenswood
All are related to Jane Olive Royes - relationship indicated in brackets
Y Y Y Y Y Y
Nov 1882, Thomas Olive, b. 1853, Bendigo, VIC - age 29 (brother) 9 Oct 1887, Willie Royes, b. 8 Oct 1887, Ravenswood - died at birth (nephew) 26 May 1889, Ralph Hougham Royes, b. 16 Jul 1885, Ravenswood - age 3 (son) 13 Oct 1904, Annie Maria Hougham Royes b. 15 Apr 1879, Ravenswood - age 25 (daughter) 23 Nov 1907, Ralph Hougham Royes, b. 11 Dec 1889, Ravenswood - age 17 (son) 10 Jun 1927, Jane Ley (Olive) Royes, b. 10 Apr 1859, Raglan, VIC - aged 65
Royes emigrations from Ravenswood
Charles Mordaunt Royes family daughter Eleanor (married James Henry Foley 1913) George Hougham Royes sr son Sydney son Charles son George jr son Bathurst son Arthur son John daughter Jane (married Leslie Harvey in Home Hill) son Frederick 1892 <1919 1920s <1903 <1913 <1915 <1919 <1919 d1921 1920s <1925 Georgetown, <1900 Mareeba Townsville Home Hill Townsville Ayr, then Cloncurry, Mackinlay Rockhampton, Yeppoon Brisbane Home Hill-Ravenswood-HomeHill Home Hill Home Hill, <1930 Rockhampton Home Hill
Ron Royes’ first ever visit to Ravenswood in 1969 was to record a television story for the B.B.C. about two Irish spinster sisters Kathleen and Maureen Delaney, then in their 70. Their brogue was, says Ron, as thick as the River Liffey. They were licensees of the Imperial Hotel (photo at left) and were descendants of an Irish miner who had ventured to Ravenswood seeking his fortune. They indicated that Charters Towers and Ravenswood were known as the 4G’s: Gold, Goats, Girls and Glassbottles.
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[There is no actual evidence that George jr was with the family in Ravenswood.]
Ethel Ruth Royes, known as Ruth or Bunny, married Bill Weatherburn in 1933 in Mareeba, Queensland. They both have extensive and well-documented pedigrees. This is Bill’s. It is a pedigree chart - that is, it works up the tree from the person concerned to their ancestors. Siblings for each generation are also shown.
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News and Notes
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March 2013 Y Keith Vogler, father of Craig and Annette, died on the 14th March. Y Cheryl (Hay) Russell (Gold Coast, QLD) has suffered a stroke and is responding to rehabilitation, supported by husband Charl and their two daughters. Y Beryl (Roy) Elias (age 91, Albury, NSW) had a fall and injured her left elbow and right knee cap - and spent some time in hospital. February 2013 Y Peter James Clay and his wife Anne Higgins had a son Marley James Clay in Townsville. A brother for Jonan David and Eve Constance. Another grandchild for Daphne Clay (nee Crossley ) and Raymond Clay Y Rose Vohland born to Bradley and Emma, in Mareeba, QLD. Y Marley James Clay born to Peter and Annie, another grandchild for Daphne and Ray. Y Kadence Begg born to Phillip and Casey, greatgranddaughter to Anne (Giffard) van Gestel. Campbelltown, NSW.
Lauren Roy (second left) spent two weeks in January in Zimbabwe helping set up a village water supply
Jaala (on the right) and Trent Cusack are expecting their first child in August. Last year Jaala and Sarah Latham set up their own property services company and you can visit them at http://www.lathamcusack. com.au
Bev Cameron’s mother Flora (McArthur) celebrated her 96th birthday in May.
In this issue
News and Notes Finding the Roy cousins Research notes Web site notes James Roy descendants Overview chart 1 2 4 4 5 6
Gladys Elcoate found this photo of the 1909 Mareeba Champion Rugby Team with Royes brothers Bert (2nd from right, front) and Robert (3rd from left, rear)
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Finding Roy cousins
by Bruce Roy
n January 2012 I was contacted by Robert Alexander in Northern Ireland. He was not related but his family had been friends with a family of John Roy. Roys named John (and James) are a dime a dozen in Northern Ireland, as you will see just in our family. But Robert had a photo of his John Roy that was identical to one in my grandfather Sam Roy’s photo collection. Sam’s father was killed when he was just three weeks old so it seemed probable that this John was significant because he showed some care for fatherless relative Sam. But what was their relationship? Sam’s father Thomas was born in 1864 and we knew that his father was James. We therefore speculated that James had been born about 20-40 years earlier - giving us a range of 1824-1844. y first attempt to identify this John was in a Roy family who had brothers John (born 1834) and James (born 27 Jun 1840). They knew nothing more about their James’s wife and family and we knew nothing about our James’s wife and ancestors, so it seemed possible that their James was our James. This would make John Roy Sam’s great uncle. The only misgiving I had was that I thought it unlikely that such a photo would have existed for this earlier John. I even met up with a potential third cousin living in Sydney and she helped fill out the whole family tree. That information is now in our Roy miscellaneous collection on the web site because...
obert Alexander’s photo and family information revealed that that hypothesis was all wrong! Robert was able to tell us of brothers James (b.1850) and John (b.1854) Roy, who had a father James. Keep in mind that Thomas was born in 1864. The clincher was the photograph plus the fact that this was a Belfast family. The other family was County Down, though it was not unreasonable to assume that families migrated towards Belfast and the booming rail and shipbuilding industries. Which raises another connection: James b.1850, John b.1854 and Thomas b.1864 were all employed in the railway. Actually there is another piece of evidence. Sam and his widowed mother Jane were staunch Presbyterians yet he gave me what was obviously a treasured old prayer book of the Church of Ireland. The James and John Roy families were Church of Ireland. Robert Alexander was able to provide details of the children of James and John, together with some additional photos. All of this ended up on the web site and the photos are reproduced here. he main purpose in creating and maintaining a family tree web site is to generate connections and communication. That is how Robert Alexander found us. It is also how we have recently connected, assisted by FaceBook, with three of what are my generation’s third cousins. These cousins are all descendants of John Roy’s son Albert. I have yet to find out
John Roy (1854-1909) family: Standing: Albert, John, John jr, Sara Seated: Anne (McGrievy), Alex
more about James’s family. So... what do we have? (Surname “Roy” omitted.) James is our earliest confirmed Roy ancestor, date of birth unknown but probably about 1827 and probably in Belfast. We don’t have any information about his wife. We have the names of three of his children there were probably more. Let’s take them one at a time and identify what we know.
James (c. 1850-1890) married Martha
Unknown but from the John (b.1854) Roy family photo collection
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John Roy (1854-1909)
Curry (1857-?) and they had at least five children: 1. James (1879-?), 2. Maria (1880-?), 3. Maryann (1884-?), 4. Elizabeth (1890-?) and 5. Bertha (1892-?). We have no further information about them.
John (c. 1854-1909) married Anne McGrievy (1864-?) and they had four children: 1. John (1883-c. 1906) married Maggie Donald and they had two children: 1.1 John Albert (1904-?) 1.2 Edgar Harold (1906-?) 2. Sarah Ann Armstrong (1886-?) 3. Albert (1888-1935) married Margaret Sloan McDowell (1887-1935) and they had seven - possibly eight - children. The seven we know of are: 3.1 Eleanor Sloan (1908-1953) 3.2 Elizabeth Phillips (1910-1980) 3.3 John (1911-?) 3.4 Doreen (1913-1929) 3.5 Robert McDowell (1919-1993) 3.6 Albert Cyril Ormonde (1921-2003) 3.7 Malcolm Stewart (1925-2010) 4. Alexander Stewart (1897-?) Thomas (c1864-1889) was James senior’s third known child. He married Jane Russell (1862-1934) and they had just one son: 1. Samuel Russell (1889-1959) married Agnes Logan (1890-1957) and they had four children in Larne, Northern Ireland and, after emigrating in 1923, a fifth in Cairns, Australia: 1.1 Thomas Jamieson (1915-1982) 1.2 John Maurice (1917-2010)
This is John (b.1883) Roy - I found it a bit uncanny - it could be a younger me!
1.3 Angus Livingstone (1919-2006) 1.4 Beryl (1921 - living) 1.5 Agnes Margaret (“Peg”) (19262001) A full chart appears as Appendix 1 of this newsletter. The cousins I have been in correspondence with are grandchildren of Albert and Anne. Marjorie (Perth, Australia) and Pat (South Wales) are children of Robert McDowell Roy and Olwen (Congleton, England) is a daughter of Malcolm Stewart b.1925.
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